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If there is only 10% of the original Old Growth redwood left, then how can you use Redwood to make your products?  

This is a great question and I'm glad it was the first because the whole philosophy of Craftsmanship and of being a craftsman is held in its answer.

 I grew up in the Redwood forests of this area camping, hiking and later working, I worked as a surveyor for 12 years and have seen rural parts of this county that have rarely, if ever been visited by people. The sense of peace and magic that one feels in a forest has been a vital part of my life. During the past 27 years that I have run Blue Ox, first as a logging company and the last 24 years as millworks manufacturer, I have personally addressed this question from all angles and sides. Do I think we should ban all logging? ... NO - but in the same breath I am vehemently opposed to clear cut logging and the other short cuts used today to maximize corporate profits at the expense of the forest.

As for our products here at Blue Ox, all our Old Growth Redwood comes from logs that were felled and left by the original loggers 100 years ago. Because Redwood does not rot, these logs have lain on the forest floor all this time and are as sound today as they were then. I then saw these logs on our sawmill on an as needed basis. By knowing the project and its needs, I can choose just the right cuts for that job with no waste. This is a key aspect of handling the resources with reverence, Another aspect of handling the resource with reverence is building to last. If we build our houses to last 200 to 300 years and then go back to the forest and ask for more, the forest has no problem putting up with that, It's this building junk that only lasts 20 to 30 years and then tearing it down and going back for more that the forest can't maintain!

 So as the consumer, the responsibility is in a large part, yours. Demand a quality product that will last, a key element of true craftsmanship.


I have seen boards cut into a repeating pattern going around front porches.  Does anyone make these today?


These are "Paperdoll Balusters" and are used to fill in the space between the hand rail and the bottom rail with Greek and Gothic line designs.  You can make them yourself using a band saw to cut them out, or design your own and have a wood shop cut them for you.  Remember however, that it is not what the piece of wood looks like rather, what the spaces look like when the two pieces are joined together.  In other words, there are two designs that complement each other; the actual wood pattern and the spaces in between.


Can you recommend a brand of good lathe tools for the beginner?


First off welcome to the world of lathe turning!  any of the turning tools sold today will serve you well.  The most important thing is to have a tool that fits your hand.  When I teach my classes I use the cheapest tools around to demonstrate that it is not the tool, but the technique of the lathe turner that makes a quality product.


We are planning to build a new Victorian and we have been looking at several of the "dream books" for plans. How can we make a new house look more Victorian without breaking the bank?
The first thing to do is to make sure your design has a steep roof pitch...4" in 12" being the minimum. The slight extra cost will be offset by the longer wear you will get from your roof.

Second stay away from "fake" multi-pane windows with plastic grids. If your going to have multi-light, and they do make a house look wonderful, have a wood shop build you true multi-pane windows.

Thirdly and most important find a designer that knows Victorian architecture. This will be the hardest and I dare say you may have to educate yourself here. Victorian design may look like a hodgepodge but features do fit together. The plinth block is a play off the base board, the casing a play off the plinth and the rosette a circular representation of the casing!!!


Is it possible to change out the weight ropes on double hung wood windows without calling in a contractor?


Yes but it is a little tricky. First carefully remove the sash stop. This is the piece of 1/2 x 1" between the bottom sash and the inside wall. Now the bottom sash will lift out. A screw will be found in the sash groove about 6" up from the bottom on both sides. Once this screw is removed a sash weight door is exposed. It is here that the weights will be lying. With the sash out you can feed cotton rope through the pulley down to the weight door and tie onto the weights. Then pull the weights up and install the rope onto the sash with a knot just like the original was. Now is a great time to rub Bees Wax into the sash grooves, then put all back together and you're working for another hundred years.


I have seen in pictures, a siding that looks like shingles with different patterns in it. How is that made and where can one find it?

 

I have seen a siding which consists of a plywood sheet about 3' x 8' with shingles attached to it by the manufacturer but I haven't seen a decorative style for this type of siding. This company is out of Oregon or Washington State and I believe it is called Cedar Valley Siding System.

Decorative shingles on the other hand, are individually made by first cutting 6" wide or larger shingle blocks into shingles. Then all the shingles are trimmed to a full 6" and their ends are then cut to pattern using a band saw with a special jig. Used in different combinations these shingles can be used in a wide variety of patterns including fish scale, "ice cream cone" etc. Different patterns of shingles can also be combined into horizontal bands to provide an even more complex ornamentation.


I am a beginner woodworker. Do you recommend a book to help me  understand and build Victorian interior trim work, fireplaces,  built-ins and paneled rooms? Thanks. Joe


I usually go into used book stores and head for the Architecture section where I have found such wonders as "The Gingerbread Age" by John Mass, "Architectural Drawing" by Harvey Waffle, and "The 1920 Catalog #500 of the Curtis Door and Woodworking Co." So you see this is where to start but I think the first book I would suggest is the 1984 Lee Valley Tools Ltd. publication "The Victorian Design Book", ISBN#0-9691019-6-1.

By learning the basic traditional woodworking skills, you will be arming yourself with the knowledge necessary to make any of the projects that you mentioned. Note that I said traditional techniques! This is very important because if you are going to put your name on the finished product then you want it to be the best and last. For instance when you make doors use only mortise and tennon joinery, the same with windows, etc.


What should I do about the rotting bases of the wood columns on my front porch?

 

The first thing to do for rotten columns is to ascertain the cause of the rot, because any fix will need to address this first or you will have the same problem again. There are three possible problems that come to mind. One, there is a be a joinery problem in the construction of each column base. Because of the way the columns are attached to your porch water is being trapped under your columns and soaking the end grain. Two, the columns were made from a wood that is not suitable for outdoor use (poplar or pine,etc) And thirdly your columns have served you well for 150 years and finely time and the elements have taken their toll. Once you have determined the cause and rectified it here are two fixes. If you have round columns then measure the diameter one foot above the rot and have a shop turn you a new bottom out of Redwood. Then saw your old bottom off one foot up and jack up the column 1/2" to 3/4" higher than need be. Now drill both the new bottom and your old top in the center to accept a 1/2" or 3/4" pipe that will go into both pieces at least 1/2", (this keeps the two pieces centered), now apply exterior glue (such as Liquid Nails) and let your column down on its new base. If you have porch posts then a "Dutchman" can be made like the drawing. Be sure to glue and bolt and countersink and plug the bolts so no water gets to them. (see photo)


We have a 6-room Victorian in Westchester County, NY.  I want to create our
own decorative details at the rooflines, etc.  Is there a good source book, and can I do these on a router table?

 

First let's look at the Source Books. This is a real problem for the person wanting to design their own trim because there is a real lack of information and probably always will be. This is because this was an era of experimentation and self-expression, this means there were few "stock" patterns and fewer yet examples that made it into print. You can find photo books at used book stores like The Painted Ladies series, A Gift To The Street, The Victorian Design Book, and one book that may help you immensely is Tiny Houses by Lester Walker, 1987 pages 48 to 57. Now for the mouldings, you said it would go along the roof line. I would assume this then to be at the peeks and it is called the "ridge cap". See the attachments with samples of Ridge Cap from the Blue Ox catalog
and The Victorian Design Book, to help you get started . Although most ridge caps and even barge boards are cut out with a band saw or a fret saw you could use a router table and make it in short sections. There is no harm in this at all but you will need to use a Four Fluted Spiral bit,  these are climb cutters and will make your operation far easier. Be creative and have Fun !  Eric.


We have purchased a Queen Anne Victorian home that was built in the 1860's.  There are numerous hairline cracks in the finishing thin coat of plaster and places where the thin coat of plaster has fallen out. Any advise as to how to repair the finishing coat of plaster ?

Where I had cracks I used the premixed plaster just as it came and with a wide steel trowel spread the plaster on smooth taking great care to "feather" the edges out to nothing, I did not want a visible bump at my repair. Then at those couple of places where I had to pull out the old plaster and start from the lath I let the premix dry out some to "stiffen up". Then using enough power to make sure that plaster is squeezing through the lath I applied the base coat, leaving it low by a 1/6 to an 1/8 inch of the finish. After this had dried I applied the smooth coat. This proved to be very difficult to make it smooth and flat at the same time so hopefully you don't have any large places where this needs to be done. As for the texturing I think you may want to call in a craftsman to do this for you. 
 Happy mudding .............Eric


After stripping and staining my old woodwork I don't want to put  polyurethane on it. I want a hand rubbed look to it, even if I  have to hand rub it. How can I get the look I want?


Congratulations on getting your woodwork striped, That was the hardest part of the job!!! Now what you will want to do is to go to your local Library and see if they have a video named "Wood Finishing" by Frank Klausz. In this video Frank will take you through many options that you have from Hand Rubbed Oil to French Polish. Please remember though that these skills (like riding a bicycle) can not be learned from a book or a video. Doing is the only way to learn, so before you start on your woodwork,  go to the lumber store and buy a small piece of the same type of wood and practice on this until you can do it upside down and standing on your head because these are some of the positions that you'll no doubt need to get into. Have fun and may the "Finish be with you".


I am trying to strip the wood bare on the outside of my 1900 Queen Anne Colonial Revival Home in order to paint. I would like it done in the gentlest way I can as to avoid damage to the surface wood. I keep reading about the damage that cleaning by water pressure will do to old wood. Yet when I talk to folks that strip and paint for a living, they say it's OK.  What is your slant?

First I wish to applaud you for wanting to be as gentle as possible to the woodwork on your house that has served so well for so many years.

Here in our area, Redwood decks are a big thing and because we are in a dense forest environment these decks get mossy and very slippery, so the first thing folks do is to rent a high pressure sprayer and hold the nozzle 1 inch away from the wood and blast away the moss. The trouble is they also blast away the summer growth (or soft wood) in-between the growth rings, which leaves a rippled surface. So I would say YES on using the washer, but keep the nozzle back two feet or more away from the wood and know that you will have to do a little hand work. It is only when we expect power equipment to do all the work that they do damage. ... Eric


Our house, built in 1895, had a simple widows walk which was removed many years ago. I want to have a new one made. Any suggestions as to materials that will not need regular painting-design info. etc?

A widows walk will be a great project and will add immensely to your house's look and character. As for products that don't need paint, I am not familiar with any. You may want to contact Chuck Stinman at Architectural Reproductions in Oregon, 503-284-8007. Chuck's company makes millwork out of fiberglass and plaster, and you can ask about not painting this type of material. Otherwise I would recommend Redwood or CLEAR Cedar. Both of these woods will give a lifetime or two of service. Also you may find a local Blacksmith that has access to "Wrought Iron" that could make you decorative members out of this material.

Now the fun part, the design. This can be as simple as looking through catalogs and ordering "stock designs", or taken all the way to coming up with your own designs. There are a few items to keep in mind when working up your design. First is each house is special and has an individual feel and style. You wouldn't want to take a Queen Anne and use a colonial balustrade. Second is to try to carry the feel that your house's porch has, up into the widow's walk, This will tie all your work together and give continuity to your finished product.

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We'll be investing in painting the exterior of our 1890's wood-siding house this fall. We live in Louisville, Kentucky where we can have cold winter nights into the teens, and hot & humid summers.  I have always used oil on interior woodwork, but I've been told that Latex expands/contracts easier and so is better for exteriors. What do you recommend, and how long should that paint last? Also, I'm looking to replace 20 spindles on our front porch. Our local architectural salvage shop does not have a match, can you recommend a source or millwork shop?


You are absolutely correct in knowing that wood never stops moving and as such the film (paint) we apply over it also has to move.  Older paints were made with a base of Linseed Oil which after time will dry hard. When this happens the paint would crack. Lately (within the last 30 years) the industry has gone to petroleum based oils as the binding agent that take longer to harden off and thus stay pliable longer. The binding agent in Latex is "Casein" which is found in milk. This casein is a glue and is what holds the clay particles (the color) to the surface and seals the surface from water. As a glue casein is flexible and as such makes a fine exterior paint, but after 10 to 15 years it begins to "chalk" and loose its ability to hold the pigment particles and then needs to be repainted. I would use a "BEST" grade primer undercoat (oil or alkyd) then Latex finish coats. 

As for balusters, first go to your local High School shop class. I keep pushing this because these classes are being closed all across the nation and the educational systems need to know that there is a demand for the trades. Okay, baring that here are three places.   Mad River Woodworks 707-668-5671 (Tim) ....... Hass Turning in San Francisco, ..........  and of course, Blue Ox Millworks 800-248-4259
Ok, so that should get you on your way. Please try the school first and may your end result be stunning. ..


I built a Queen Anne painted lady eight years ago in northern Minnesota. We have a covered , wrap around porch on the front. However, we have a living space under it. Our wooden floor has rotted and we are looking for suggestions as to how to build a floor that will not rot. I have had some boat builders tell me I should use white oak and put a v-groove in it and fill it with a boat caulk/glue that needs to be sanded with a floor sander and sealed as to have no water enter the basement. Any thoughts? It's really more complex than this but I abbreviated my thoughts.

The boat caulk/glue won't work although your friend is on the right track. The problem with using any kind of glue is that your deck is dry then wet and the wood is always moving. What I have seen done here in Eureka where we had both wooden water tank builders and boat builders is the two put their heads together and came up with a "fix" to this problem that has worked for the last 150 years. That fix is to make 2" to 3 1/4" by full 1" (or better) thick T&G Redwood flooring ( Cedar would also work, both must be clear ). Then slope to floor 1" in 10' to the outside to shed water off away from the house. Now you have a flow that can shrink when dry and swell ( to water tight) when wet. Oh yes run the boards from the wall to the outside not parallel to the wall. Eric


We are in the process of designing a two story "addition" - 24'X36' -first floor is garage & workshop, second floor is "detached bedroom." We are looking at window design, and trim as a way to make it look like a craftsman (arts & crafts) style building on the outside (no thanks on the inside - we are clear on our need for light). Also, we have planned a pergola. Do you have any ideas, ways to do these or others, that we can utilize to create this style without breaking the bank (I was inspired to ask this question by the one I read on your previous question and answer list)?
Thanks so much for your time and energy!

Your job with regards to your windows is fairly easy. The Craftsman Style window trim was flat 1x6 header and sides, a sill with horns protruding past the sides a full 1" and NO orientation under the sill (i.e.. plinth blocks and spreader molding). Where the craftsmen put their attention was the window sash itself. Here they were as elaborate as possible with curved mullions that forms a diamond pattern etc. I will include a couple of drawings for you. Your trick will be finding a window maker who will take on a complicated mullion job but I'm sure you will find one in your area. If you have trouble let me know. This will add some over say a factory window with snap in plastic dividers but remember that when you sell you'll get out what you put in and true divided windows will add a great deal to the value. I don't have any designs for a pagoda but I don't think they will be hard to find. Again if you have trouble here let me know...... Eric


Our home was built sometime between 1910-30, and I think is classified as a "Folk" Victorian. A lot of the wood trim has the original finish, i.e. no paint! My question is, what's the best way to restore that dark stained finish, and what's the easiest way to remove layers of paint on wood trim?

Interestingly enough that dark-stained finish is exactly what the original builders wanted, for it was thought "cheap" to have light wood in your house! All that oak furniture that we covet at the antique stores was the cheap stuff when it was made. Even here in Eureka, when we used Redwood mouldings we either painted them or stained them dark! Well, tastes change and to get to your question if there is a finish on your dark-stained woodwork then the answer for paint will be the first step.

Now first off, no one knows me well enough to get me to work with paint so I asked a customer that recently did just what your doing and he said a product called "Peel Away" worked like magic. You paint it on then apply this special paper and let it "cook" over night. Then you peel off the paper and up to 32 layers of paint with it. What's more, after it is dry it is non-toxic and you can throw away the paper; paint and all! Even if it's lead base!!! Now I'm just telling you what he said and his trim is beautiful redwood with a clear finish now ~ you can't tell it was ever painted. He says this product can be had at a paint store. One thing to check.... If your clear wood has a finish it is probably shellac, so make sure this product removes that also....... Have fun stripping!..... Eric


I have been asked to restore a Victorian conservatory for a customer of mine. unfortunately when we started to remove the frame work and roof members so the brick work could be repaired) it became obvious that all of the main frame work was not original and therefore all the original mouldings have been lost. it looks like the sashes are original and they have a elongated ovelo mould on them. do you think I should repeat this mould on the frame work and roof members? and what kind of sill section do you think I should use? the house is in Ramsey, Southampton, England, and it is thought the conservatory was added in 1870.

What a great project for you! A conservatory is such a wonderful "space" addition to a house and to rebuild one that your grandfather's father ( if he were a wood worker ) could have built is an honor. Yes, if the mouldings you are talking about are the sash stops, I think you are on the right track using the elongated ovelo. I think this would work well on any moulding up to about 3" wide. As for the sill I'm not sure of your question. I think a standard 2" stepped (so the sash beds in) set at a 15' or steeper angle would be original. The best to you and enjoy the honor of this project...... Eric


I recently bought an old farm house in rural north Louisiana. I know it was there in at least 1898. It appears to be the folk Victorian style - very simple one story with cross gables and steeply pitched roof. The front porch was altered and I want to put it back in original condition. Can you recommend a book with photos of the post styles, trim, etc. or have any suggestions?

In a majority of the questions I have answered on this site and for tours here at Blue Ox an underlying theme keeps re-occurring. That is the question of Victorian Architectural Design. There are no photo books that I have found, in the past 30 years of looking, that show samples of each element of trim, save for A Gift To The Street published by Antelope Island Press 1976. This book deals only with big city (San Francisco) embellishments so would not help you. I hope an entrepreneurial photographer is reading this because there is a tremendous demand for such photo references. To help you and others I have made a drawing showing the elements of a porch. You can make up your own designs using some of these elements. Click here for drawing

A = Spandrel; can be of any design, from up and down turnings to fancy cutout and carved work.
B = Turned Porch Post; having a flat both top and bottom to accept the
spandrel and balustrade.
C = Handrail
D = Turned
Balusters
E = Bottom rail;....This whole assembly including c,d,e, is
called a balustrade
F = Corner Bracket; is used in lieu of a
spandrel
G = Turned Column; these are round to the ground and sit on a Base with a
Capital at the top.
H = Square or Sawn Porch Post; this one has fluting.
I = Paperdoll Balusters or Sawn Balusters. Here it is a repeating pattern.

What is important about the design is the hole not the baluster, for it is the spaces that are seen.
J = Corbel; the corbel takes up the entire space of the corner where as
the bracket does not.


We recently purchased an 1880 Victorian in Connecticut and need to replace the windows. Presently, they are the original pulley windows without any grids. Are vinyl replacement windows the only way to go, and are the grid less panes customary for the era? We also found a pair of 8 foot solid bi-fold doors in the
                attic that we think must have been interior dividers
to the parlor.  Does that 
                seem to make sense? There are no locks on them.

Congratulations on your 1880 Victorian! As for your windows, Vinyl is NOT your only choice and in my opinion vinyl is your last choice. Those windows that you are about to replace have been in service for the last 120 years. I believe the vinyl clad aluminum windows so prevalent today will be oxidized away to nothing in the next 40 years. For proof that aluminum is not a long lived metal look at the bed of a 15 year old lawn mower and you'll see corrosion holes where the metal has been eaten away. As for price, we are building replacement Redwood sash windows with thermal glass for a 110 year old house right now, and because these windows were not "standard" sizes our bid was even with the vinyl clad!

As for the single light (grid less panes) this was a very standard Victorian design in the late 1800's.I think your guess about the bi-folds being used as room dividers is a good one and you were very lucky to have these still existing.

Good luck with your new house and may your project be fun each step of the way......Eric


What are these "sunbursts or rays of sun" I see on so many homes?  I would like to make one for my home.

 

This is interesting that we should get two questions regarding sunburst treatments at the same time. This is not a coincidence however, for like some other architectural details the sunburst is an architectural archetype. This means that it is a pattern that keeps  reappearing throughout history and through out different societies. There ceases to be a known connection to their origins and true meanings, and yet each time they reappear they are embraced by the current society as if a long lost friend!

Somehow it harkens back to our historic roots. Another archetype is the "Green Man", the face of a human with plant vines or leafs for hair. Here in Eureka there must be over 100 different houses with sunbursts, maybe even double or triple that number. It is without a doubt the most common architectural portrayal here.

I have drawn two different styles of sunbursts that can be made in a home shop. They both start out with a circular cut piece of wood in the center. This piece can be turned with a detail in it or just cut out flat. Then the rays come out from this center piece. The rays can be 1/2 round pieces cut from turned stock or wedge pieces cut from rectangular stock. In either case they are cut on a taper so as to look like sun rays. They can either be separated which shows some of the field between each ray (as pictured) , or they can fit tight to one another so as to make a solid mass of rays. Either way the end product is stunning. I am really happy that in both questions you each wanted to make the decorations for yourselves. This wonderful web site is working!!!!!  Click here for drawing

Eric


We will take possession of a ~1906 Victorian / Arts and Crafts home by mid-December 2000.  It has the original Chestnut trim and doors throughout. None of the woodwork has had any sort of refurbishing and, as a result, the varnish has dried and become "pebbled."
Is there a process by which the finish can be "refreshed" without
stripping.

Yes, you are in luck. If the "bright" finish is original than it is Shellac, which is derived from the Lac bug. Shellac is dissolvable in strong alcohol.

Go to your drug store and have them order you a gallon of 99% rubbing alcohol. Next wet a rag with the alcohol and in an inconspicuous spot see if this won't dissolve the old finish. If it does then get a quart can of Amber Shellac and in another container thin a small amount of the shellac with equal parts alcohol and paint this onto a small spot of woodwork. This should dissolve the old finish right into the new and then should dry smooth. Next with FINE steel wool polish this spot when dry and put another coat of shellac right from the original can (not the thinned mixture). You can repeat this until the desired smoothness and finish is reached. This is why I think shellac is the finest wood finish there, because years from now it will still be workable................ Eric


We own a 1905 Victorian in Eureka.  The floors are wide redwood planking. Currently they've covered with carpet; they've probably had some sort of covering on them for decades.  Is it possible to refinish and use these floors as they are?  I've heard that redwood is too soft for interior floors, but a "distressed" look would be fine with me.  I've also heard  that we would need to either caulk or add insulation under the house to prevent drafts.


I too have heard that Redwood floors are too soft but I have lived in a house with redwood floors and they held up fine providing you put the furniture on those small rubber coasters you can buy at most hardware stores. The cracks between the boards are easily dealt with. The traditional way  (and the one I like the look of the best ) was to mix plaster of Paris with shellac into a paste. Then this paste was spread into the cracks and the floor was sanded after the paste was dry. Then your clear finish is put on. The amber shellac turns the plaster from white to a off yellow and gives the floor a true antique look, and doesn't look like your trying to hide the cracks.

 Another way, if the cracks are small (1/8 or less) is to sand the floor first but don't clean up the dust. Then began "floating" on your first coat of finish picking up the sawdust as you go and forcing the resulting paste into the cracks. After this has dried re-sand and put on your final finish coats.
I have always thought that wide floor boards were a great look. 

Good luck........Eric


I'm looking for simple wooden rain gutters like those
you see on many European farm house--for example in
Austria.

I try very hard not to mention Blue Ox Millworks as a source when answering these questions but here I am stuck. I know of no one else who will do this for you.  All you need to do is make up a simple drawing , put on the drawing the dimensions of the finished gutter, so I know how big a piece of redwood I need to cut to get the produce, and the amount of linear feet that you are thinking of. You can then either email this information or fax it to 707-444-0918. I will quote you a price in three days.   Eric


I would like to know the materials generally used on roofs during the late Victorian period.  Shingle? asphalt? slate? other?  And also would like to know the historical colors of roofs of that period.  Thanks for any help or recommended sites.

This was an interesting question for me and I did some looking. I
was unable to find any mention of comp shingles for roofing before about 1910, I found mention of corrugated steel used on buildings as far back as 1898 but this was used for siding and no mention of roofing.

The roofing most used throughout  Victorian Buildings  was wood shingles. Mostly 16" long and 5/8" on the butt. The species used was whatever the most durable local wood was and ranged from Redwood, and Cedar to the Oaks and Walnut.

We at Blue Ox are working up samples right now for the Ford Museum ad,
Dearborn Mi. These are 36" and 5/8" butt White Oak for a renovation.
One  point of interest, in our area there were 390 sawmills in 1950 and 75%
of these were shingle mills. The mill produced two products, one the
shingles and second the sawdust which was long and stringy and called
Excelsior! Our shingle mill here is a 1903 Summner.
Mostly the shingles were left to weather but when painted Brick Red and a
very "earthy"  green seemed to be the two colors used. On rare occasions
pattern shingles were used to highlight a portion of the roof.


Where can I find peak fretwork designs for our home Built in 1830? It's basic structure 1-1/2 stories.

 

I have copied some pages of Gable Decorations that we have made over the years. There is no source book for this type of design work so we are going to be creating one at our web site www.blueoxmill.com  . This is going to
take a while so you will just have to keep checking but we have an architect
who can draw them using a cad system and we will make them available. In the
meantime I hope these designs help. ......  Eric


We purchased a house last summer that we just found out was built in 1875!   
We still have all the original windows & a VERY high gas bill!  (We also have  a 70 year old steam boiler!)  I don't want to lose the unique windows, but  would also like more energy efficiency!  I read that you were building wooden  replacement windows for an old house.  Would it be worth the trouble of  replacing them? (We have a LOT of windows!) 

Yes you can get the insulating value of thermal pane and still keep your wooden windows. It requires that you have new sashes (the frame that holds the glass) made to replace your existing. These have a deeper rabbit and profile to accept the wider glass and instead of putty to glaze the window we use wood stops. Once you receive these you can then order thermal glass units made to fit from your local glass company, install these in the new sashes and then trade out the new sashes for the old.  This is much less expensive than replacing the whole window with new metal clad, and you can do all of the installation yourself.


Where can I find the tools that cut the tennons on the ends of  rails for post and rail type furniture and ornamental rustic style fencing.

 

This is a great question and I thought that all I had to do was go to my catalog shelf and I'd have the answer for you. This isn't the way it worked out and now my office floor is piled with old catalogs. I was looking for a spoke pointer and hollow auger ( like mine in this photo) but I wasn't able to find any. If you are looking at bent wood as a small project then Woodcraft 1-800-535-4482 has a Plug and Tennon Cutter that fits your electric drill. If however your needs are more and you don't mind the capital costs then Daniel Mack in his book Making Rustic Furniture has a professional electric setup on page 130. If this is what you are looking for let me know
and I'll help you find it. By the way I got my set at antique shows.  Eric


I'm about ready to buy an old house with all the original  unpainted trim.  It was of course stained very dark, and probably  has become darker over the years.  I don't want to strip it and  stain it light.  I just want to "brighten and hopefully lighten"  it up a bit.  What should I use?

If the finish on your home is to be original then it is no doubt Shellac. This is a good thing, for any other "bright" finish you would be forced to sand off and start over. Shellac however has the marvelous property of being soluble in strong alcohol no mater how old it is. So go to your local pharmacy and order 98% alcohol, then in a corner where it won't show, wipe some alcohol on with a rag, let it set a minute then wipe it off. If the finish is Shellac this will begin taking off the outside layers.  When at the point you like you can paint on a fresh coat of "white" Shellac for a "new" finish....Good luck...  Eric


I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this question.  Our house was built in 1865, according to the deed.  It is a 6-room, working class home, quite small. It has a turret, and pocket doors, and the hardware on the doors is aesthetic style, with diagonals, fans & floral decorations. The house retains much of its original interior woodwork, although it has been painted over many times.  The exterior has been covered with asbestos shingles.
We would like to restore the house to 1865 appearances, but I am confused by the presence of the aesthetic hardware.  Was this style used in 1865?  I thought it came into use later, around 1880 or so?  Also, how can I care for the wooden banister & oak window frames?  The frames were varnished and  in still quite good condition.  Can I varnish over them when they need it? The stair railings do not appear to have any remaining varnish, and are quite dirty.  Someone told me that grain alcohol will clean wood quite well.
What would I do next - varnish? Polyurethane?

When you start on the outside I am confident that you will find the paint marks from the original wood work. These will show you what to look for in your area as far as a match on other houses. This deactivate work is enjoyable. The oak sashes are coated with shellac if they still have the original finish. Your friend was right about the strong alcohol (98%) will strip the finish, but only if that finish is Shellac. It is for this reason that I recommend reusing only shellac and not any plastic finish that once it cracks sanding is the only answer. Same for the banister. The hardware is a puzzle being so ornate and yet in a working class home. But here in my part of the woods a working class home wouldn't have a turret either so maybe this was a rather flush working family. Because of the turret and pocket doors I would think the hardware is probably original. That's my guess..... Eric


I have purchased a Victorian that is 114 yrs old. She's in need of a new roof and I could use the extra space so I am adding a tower and dormers in Victorian style. However the back of the house is lower than the front because the back of the house is narrower therefore the ridge on the roof is lower. If I raise the ridge then the pitch will differ from the front of the house. Is this aesthetic to Victorian exteriors or am I destined to a low ridge and little head room for someone over 6 feet.

Here in Eureka where we live we have over 1500 historically significant buildings so we get to see a lot of models. Having different pitches and different ridge lines on the same house is not uncommon at all. I think as long as you keep with a good steep roof pitch ( the Victorians did this to run water off the wooden shingles fast) I believe you will meet your interior requirements and keep the aesthetics...... Eric


How do you frame a corner tower octagon style or round with a cone?

 

The wall framing will be fairly simple using 2x4 vertical studs in a circle and 2x6 horizontal fire blocking with the outside edge cut on a round to fit the finished siding from stud to stud. The roof and floor are the tricky part and for this I am going to refer you to  the 1923 Audel's Carpenters and Builders Guide book # 3 " House and Roof Framing and Laying Out". Pages 1010 to 1014 show diagrams of how to frame the floor and roof of an Octagon and a Circle.
If you cant find this book email me with your address and I'll copy the pages and send them to you.... Eric


I am about to replace the windows in our home. I have gotten several estimates and the best one came from a company using Moss vinyl clad windows. I can't learn much about these windows. How would you rate these windows.

There are a few things all windows have in common. The questions should be 1) How long is the warrantee against "fogging) if there are thermal pane. 10 years is minimum and 15 is about the best. Those that say - as long as you own your house are banking on the fact that you are going to move before the windows fog in 15 years. 2) If a glass pane is broken can the sash be taken out and the glass replaced without removing the entire window unit? This means you can do most of your own repair work. 3) On single and double hung units how long are the balances warranted and are they easily replaceable? These are the mechanical devices that help overcome gravity when opening the sash. These three questions should arm you with the information needed to make an informed decision.... Eric


Where can I get patterns for sawn or paperdoll balusters. I want something  I can mass produce with a router and/or jig saw.

 

Paperdoll balusters are something that you will probably have to design yourself. Please see these three designs. The important thing to remember in designing paperdoll balusters is that it is not the wood baluster that the eye sees but the space that is cut out that makes up the design. Practice on a folded piece of paper in in no time you will have a design that you will be proud on your home... Eric -----


I am looking for an historical profile for gutters. I have been  unable to find a diagram on such a thing. Do you know any  resources for this type of thing. My house is a Queen Anne  Victorian, built outside of Boston in the 1890's. Any  suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Please click here for page 1 or page 2 out of 10 pages of gutter patterns from our pattern book.


I have four sets of huge (read heavy) of pocket doors and they are all off of their tracks. I've looked at it from every angle and can't figure how to re-hang them without tearing off the woodwork.

The problem you are facing is in the design of the rolling hardware itself and probably will require taking off the casing molding on at least the first door. All the pocket door hardware I have seen consists of a flat bar in edge ( this is the rail ) and a cast hanger mounted to the door which holds the wheel . This hanger does not hold the wheel ridge however, the wheel can float down into the hanger more if the door runs up onto something left on the floor. This is to prevent the door from derailing, in this case however if the door does derail, the wheel falls down to the low spot on the
hanger and has to be held up again in order to re-hang. To do this you need access to the wheels. Sorry, but the casing should be able to be coaxed off and replaced....
I also just yesterday saw a pocket door that was only rolling on a track built into the floor, and moved freely in a wooden box at the top. This design would be easy to re-rail when it jumped the tracks but then you have
the problem of the floor being uneven because of the rail....  Eric


I own a 115 year old Victorian most of the windows and trim have been  restored by previous owner, the staircase was half stripped I have removed  98% of the paint but some paint has sunk into the wood, What is the best way  to sand this beautiful chestnut casing, it's about 2ft wide going up the staircase with railing with a lot of  lines and curves.

I would like to see you not sand the Chestnut at all but you may need to. First try one more time a striping product called " Peel Away". I know you are tired of striping but if you haven't tried this product I think it is worth a try. Some friends used it on Redwood, which is an open grain like Chestnut and the #6 grade( it comes in grades from 1 to 7 ) removed all the paint including the specks imbedded in the grain. Try just a small container and if this works then a very light once over with fine steel wool will keep the crispness of your moulding details.... Eric


I have just purchased a 100 year old house with a third floor loft .I would like to renovate the roof line into a widows walk platform. My question is two parts, How can I reframe the roof to a platform, and also how appropriate would this change be?

I think done authentically, this would be a wonderful addition to your home. As for how to do this I would refer you to the Audels Carpenters and Builders Guide #3. This was a set of 5 small pocket books for the trades printed in the '20's and '30's. They can be found at used book stores and #3 will show you House and Roof Framing, and Lay Out.

Have fun with this project , it sounds great..... Eric


I have 60 year old redwood gutters that are leaking at the joints. We have had them repaired a number of times but wonder if it has been done correctly. How do you fix joints so that they don't leak and need constant attention? Should fiberglass tape be used? Are you familiar with ProFlex Geoseal product that was used with tape last time. Now someone recommends taking that out and cleaning and using Henrys seal. Also, when they work on joints how do I tell if it is time to replace the gutters versus just repair them? Can red cedar be used instead of redwood if I need to replace since it seems to be hard to locate old growth redwood and it is very expensive?

You are in good company!! There was a "secret" way that the joints were handled before WWII, this was abolished and now all the very old gutter joints are still working and the "newer" joints are failing. The " secret" was that after cutting the miter joint (either a 90' or running scarf) the installers would carve a relief in the bottom of the gutter trough of both pieces so as to create a small lake bed when the pieces were put together. This lake was then filled with calking and gave the flexibility to allow the gutters to expand and contract and not have the calking fail. You can create this lake after the fact with a pineapple bit rasp on a drill motor. You must first clean the gutter trough down to bare wood, since nothing should be put inside the gutters. Then rasp a small relief at each joint line and fill this relief to the level of the bottom of the gutter trough with a good grade of calking. This will solve your problems (providing your gutters are still sound)... Eric


I am installing corbels and fretwork to my new Victorian house. Before assembling, I am painting the components in multiple colors, but the thought of having to repaint this trim in a few years makes me cringe. In your opinion, what is the best latex paint on market for longevity? I'm currently using Sherwin Williams Duration paint with a claim to be self-priming @$40/gallon.

I am a big fan of Sherwin Williams paints and I don't think you could do better but I would use a primer first anyway just as added protection... Eric

 


I am building a new home. I wanted to paint my brick and then distress the paint to look like an older home. That is to wear away the paint with sand blasting or power sprayer to make it look like it was painted 30 years ago. Some areas are more worn than others, giving the home contrast. Can you help with a technique?

I have asked all the brick people that I know and the consensus seems to be that power washing will give you a more realistic look than sand blasting. One fellow said he would try using a very light coat of primer in some areas and normal amounts in others so the paint wouldn't have the same " bite " through out... Eric


We are installing interior trim on a window cluster of three Rectangular casements ganged vertical with a curved head window unit on top. The casing for the curved unit was supplied by the window manufacturer and does not exactly match the profile of the trim supplied by the lumber yard. We have decided to use a rosette block to unite the curved and the straight trim. Should the block be set so the curved trim has a plumb cut or a level cut?

This is exactly why the Victorian carpenters used corner blocks. They did not have to miter the corners, and a added bonus is the corner block won't develop a "paint crack" as a mitered joint would. As for how to die the curved casing into the block, either way would be fine but a plum cut - though harder- might look trickier. ... Eric


I live in a 1928 New York building, so no it is not Victorian; I would call it neo-Tudor. The historian Christopher Grey has written that its floors are redwood blocks. They are about five inches deep and were used for soundproofing as the building was made for musicians. Decades of settling, shrinking and expanding created problematic gaps over the entire floor. I experimented and found that "Acrylic Latex Caulk Plus Silicone" (DAP's Alex Plus) in Brown worked beautifully. It dries quickly but stays permanently flexible and I believe it will therefore stay in place for decades. The color is reddish-brown so that is also a plus. 

 Here is my question: How should I finish it? It is sanded bare it parts, and in others partially sanded.

There is a product called "Gym Seal" that was developed for gymnasium floors that I think would be just the finish you are after. If you don't want a "deep" shinny finish like new perhaps a thinned down coat with only one application would produce the desired results. I think you can work with this product to get just the look and durability you are after. Eric


Is there any good reference either photo or drawn of how a turret is framed and sheathed? I've never seen the inside of one and would like to build one.


Here are scanned pages from Audels Carpenter's and Builders Guide 1923 showing the roof framing for a round turret. The wall framing is standard only framed in a circle. Hope this helps you may want to find the Audels book. Eric- Picture 1  Picture 2  Picture 3  Picture 4


I have a two story saltbox I plan on making into a Victorian. I want to add on a turret ,wrap around porch with a Second story porch and bow window. How do I find out how much stem wall I need to carry that kind of Weight, width and depth ? Thanks much, Mike

This is where your local building department should come to your help. They can tell you what the code gives as a minimum for your area. If they won't do this then ask them for a copy of the code book and the name of a contractor you could call to get your answer.... Eric


Our house was built in 1902, we had new scroll work made for our wrap around porch from an original piece, we now would like to find Patterns to make one for the gables, it did have some but was gone when we Purchased the house. We have a picture of the house when it had it. Can you tell me where I could find patterns to make our own? Also, now that we have the new scroll work done, should we put a sealer on it to preserve it before we paint it and what kind of paint should we use? Thank you for your time. Terry

There are no books of patterns for Victorian Scroll work because this was a period of experimentation for the designers and craftsmen. This means that you must look at the existing houses and pictures to get your inspiration. Your original house picture may be what you want to follow. See some designs that we have done over the years but this is to just get you started. As for priming your woodwork I always Recommend doing this using a good ( the most expensive, for this is what helps the paint hold) Oil base primer....... Happy Scrolling.. Eric -  Picture 1    Picture 2     Picture 3


How do you restore a wooden front porch floor? From the pictures I have viewed on the internet, they were gray. What type of paint should be used? What is the process? Would you use the old floor if not too bad or would you cover the floor with ply for even surface then paint? I purchased a three floor Victorian wrap around porch built in early 1900. Thank you!

I would never put anything over the existing floor boards as this is then a place to trap water and start rot. if the floor is to uneven then you should replace the floor boards themselves. The floor boards are no doubt square edge tongue and groove with the tongue and groove being offset to the bottom side. This was to give a few more sandings before you would open up the T&G. Also the floor should slope slightly away from the house, all the way around for water run off. You are right that gray was the floor color of choice in most cases, and Sherman Williams has a very good floor paint that can be had in gray...... Eric


I am wanting to build an eyebrow dormer. Could you please tell me the best way to go about this. In particular, how does one get the double curved fascia board laid out & positioned? Thank You,

You have tackled a difficult task and I applaud you. Please see the pictures of three pages from Audels Carpenters & Builders Guide #3 . My copy is 1923. This shows you how to frame and the finish trim. I hope this helps, the end look will be well worth the effort.... Eric
Picture 1  Picture 2


We recently purchased a Queen Anne Victorian home built in 1910. It Has a great double decker porch around the bottom and second floor. We are rebuilding the porch where necessary and plan to re-deck it. The second floor roof has gutters that need to be replaced first, however. The problem is the porch is rounded to go around a wonderful turret. Where does one find rounded gutters today? The ones on the house look like they've been hand made from regular gutters. (cut and soldered every 10 or so inches) They are rusted through and leak. Any suggestions on where to start?

Originally your house had wood gutters including wood gutters around the turret. I don't know about metal gutters but you will probably start by asking your local metal gutter dealer who would cut and solder gutter around your turret in your area. If the metal gutter man is no help ( I've seen such cases) then look for sheet metal shops in your area. They can get the job done for you. As for wood gutters we make round wood gutters for just such applications on a regular basis...... Eric


I recently bought a house that was built in 1900. The lower staircase handrail was removed by prior owners in the early 70's and I'm interested In replacing it. The problem is, I cannot find a matching handrail which is a 3" full round rail (holes on the underside to hold the spindles), along with gooseneck bends for attaching to the newel post. Any suggestions on where I can find an old one or a mill shop that can make one?

This is when you call a custom job shop like Blue Ox Millworks. You can call with the specifications, size, type of wood, design and amount needed, is the finished product stain-grade ( more costly) or paint-grade, is it matching up to an existing piece or does it stand alone, and your state and the zip code it is to be shipped to. Or you can (and in many cases may need to) fax the shop an end- view tracing with the above information. In a couple of days you can expect a quote for the dollar amount and estimated time, you can also ask for estimated shipping costs. In the case of something like your gooseneck, if its a straight 90 degrees that's easy to explain, but if it's compound turn, then one way to get your shop the pattern is to straighten out a coat hanger then bend it to the desired shape. Send this and tell if it's the outside of the bend or the inside. Hope this helps....Eric


We live in a 13 year old 2-story home in Washington, DC. From the time we moved in we have had problems with our roof, but soon isolated the source of the problem to the widow's walk. Ours fits your description of "flat at the peak of the roof with a balustrade assembly". It is accessible from a hatch opening leading from the attic crawl space. The leaking has been addressed by a number of "roofers" over the years but with no real or total success. The water drips from the beams that descend down through the roof into the crawl space, and subsequently causes leakage onto the second floor ceiling in multiple locations. Can this be solved at all? -- or should we be considering it as a (in your words) "...detail to go"? What do we need to be aware of if we consider removal, and what range of expense should we anticipate to do this kind of work?

This is an interesting problem for the one thing that the craftsmen of the Victorian era knew, it was the control of water, but here they punctured the roof membrane for no real reason and made a potential leak spot. I say for no reason, because the balustrade is decorative only and doesn't need the strength of full length beams.

So now the fix ..... first I would try wrapping the newel posts at their intersection with the roof with "torch down", this is a roll roofing material that is rubberized and you "melt" it onto the posts and the roof. When melted all around each post, if this material will stick to your posts and the roof, it will create a leak proof barrier for 10 to 20 years. The permanent fix is to cut the newel posts to flush with the roof, move the balustrade over enough to seal the roof over the tops of your cuts then replace the balustrade and re-anchor it to the roof with brackets that can be tarred over. ...... Eric


Where can I get some prints or templates for the making fancy gingerbread brackets for my porch. I also need ideas for the spandrels.

 

This is a question that comes up a lot. As it turns out there are no drawings for architectural details from the Victorian era, save for a few blueprints saved by mistake in private collections. We at Blue Ox have some 200 to 300 such blueprint drawings that I found over the years in dusty drawers of local Redwood Sawmills that were closing down. However, until we get time to scan these and put them on disk they remain in the safe.

So until then please feel free to visit our web site and use any of the designs found there, also look for the "Painted Ladies" series by Baer-Pomada-Larsen, "A Gift To The Street"by Olwell & Waldhorn, or "The Victorian Design Book" by Lee Valley. The hunting is half the fun....Eric


How do you repair enclosed guttering on a three story Victorian home? Is there someone in Missouri that you could recommend to do this work?

 

By enclosed guttering I believe you mean a gutter system that is built into the roof slope, this is called a Yankee Gutter. This is a problematic gutter system in that when it fails it fails into the house where a "Hung Gutter" fails to the outside. A Yankee gutter should be lined with copper and made secure by a local copper smith. To find said craftsmen contact a sheet metal shop but because of the potential for water damage don't use galvanized metal only copper. Eric


I am looking for information on where to buy octagon shaped roofing shingles. Why are they so tough to locate?

 

We at Blue Ox can make octagonal, diamonds, fish scale or any pattern shingle for you but only out of Redwood. The reason that they are not made much any more is because only 6" wide shingles can be used. This means that we must take all the shingles 6" and over and trim them to a standard width first then pattern them. You can see that this takes extra time and material, so many shy away. But not us!! If interested you can email us through info@blueoxmill.com   Eric


Are Victorian houses more prone to extensive house fires due to their  construction? I remember hearing about double walls that go from  basement to attic without fire stops, but I can't remember.

This is called balloon framing when the studs run from the first floor sill through to the second floor ceiling. A sill joist is let into the studs at the point of the second floor wh